Gent. So I understand you are the Author of this strange Lecture?
Auth. Yes, Sir.
Gent. Well, though I am a friend to the Reformation of the world, I did
not expect any one's ideas would have been carried to such extravagant lengths
on the subject as your's.
Auth. And I am as strangely puzzled to conceive how any one, not afraid of
the freedom of his own thoughts, could stop any thing short of the system
there laid down.
Gent. Indeed! But who, pray, among all the Revolutionists in either
America, France, or England, or any where else, ever disputed or attempted to
invalidate the rights of the landed interest? Or, does Paine, whose
publications seem to satisfy the wishes of the most sanguine Reformers, glance
in the least on their rights? This is taking too great liberties.
Auth. I cannot help it. I would sooner not think at all, than check my
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thoughts on a subject so important. I hate patching and cobling, Let us have a
perfect system that will keep itself right, and let us have done; for what is
radically wrong must be a continual plague.
But Sir, why all this anxiety and concern for the interests of landlords?
Those who can reward as they can will never want advocates to defend their
cause whether it be good or bad. "Will you plead for Baal? If Baal be a god,
let him plead for himself."
The Reformers, of whom you say are one, indulge themselves in criticizing
on, and condemning customs and establishments as old and as defensible as the
monopoly of land, and think they are only using the Rights of Men: allow me,
therefore, to take the same liberty with what I think amiss; and let Baal, as
I say, plead for himself. So, sir, your servant, you may dislike my free
manner of defending doctrines, which I think of such magnitude.
Gent. Nay, stop a little sir, you must excuse me, I was only acting
in character; you must allow Baal, as you say, to plead for himself, for I
being a landlord cannot be expected to lose an estate
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without regret; therefore,
indulge me with the solution of such difficulties as appear to me in the
principles and execution of your plan, that if I am a loser I may be satisfied
that the public good absolutely requires it.
You build your system, I observe, on the supposition that men have the
same right to property of land as they have to liberty, and the light and heat
of the sun, which I grant is a very just portion, respecting men in a natural,
or in their primeval state; but this antient and universal right is so set
aside and disused that it seems quite forgot and expunged from the catalogue
of the Rights of Men; besides, there was nobody found murmuring at the want of
it.
Auth. It is, indeed, very amazing that people would never think more
seriously of such an essential and inestimable privilege, considering the many
express declarations to the purpose, to be met with both in the scriptures and
in the best of prophane authors. Permit me, then, to produce two or three of
the most remarkable passages: and first, from Leviticus, chap. 25th,
And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven
times seven years; and
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the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine
years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound, on the tenth
day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet
sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and
proclaim liberty throughout all the land, unto all the inhabitants thereof. It
shall be a Jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession,
and ye shall return every man unto his family.
And again in the same chapter it is said, “The land shall not be sold
for ever; for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with
me.” Thus you see God Almighty himself is a very notorious leveller, and
certainly meant to stir up the people every fiftieth year, to insist upon
liberty and equality or the repossession of their just rights, whether their
masters or creditors were agreeable or not, or whether they might deem it
seditious or no; and we may suppose such of the latter as were ungodly men
would behave very awkwardly and quit their hold with much
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reluctance, and would be far from promoting such a
revolution.
Then we may be certain that as often as such a periodical revolution
happened in favour of the Rights of Man, they must arise from, and were
procured by, the irresistible importunities of the slaves and landless men.
Thus we find personal liberty and landed property very properly linked
together by our All-wise Creator, nor is the one of much consequence without
the other. Indeed, I think all our landless people had better live in slavery
under humane masters that would provide them with the necessaries of life,
than be turned out of their rights as outcasts upon the face of that earth
whereon thev must neither feed nor rest.
Well, we have heard what God has said on the subject, let us next hear what
man says. Locke, in his Treatise of Government writes thus:
Whether we
consider natural reason, which. tells us, that men, being once born, have a
right to their preservation, and consequently to meat and drink, and such
other things as nature affords for their subsistence. Or, Revelation, which
gives us an account of those
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grants God made of the world to Adam, and to Noah
and his sons; it is very clear that God, as King David says, Psalm 115, 16,
has given the earth to the children of men, given it to mankind in common.
Here we find this great man concurring in the same fundamental principle
as we shall likewise. Puffendorf, in his Whole Duty of Man, according to the
law of nature, where he observes, that
As those are the best members of a
community, who without any difficulty allow the same things to their neighbour
that themselves require of him, so those are altogether incapable of society,
who, setting a high rate on themselves in regard to others, will take upon
them to act any thing towards their neighbour, and expect greater deference
and more respect than the rest of mankind; and, in their insolent manner,
demanding a greater portion unto themselves of those things, to which all men
haying a common right, they can in reason claim no larger a share than other
men: whence this also is an universal duty of the law natural, That no man,
who has not a peculiar
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right, ought to arrogate more to himself than he is
ready to allow to his fellows, but that he permit other men to enjoy equal
privileges with himself.
Such declarations being frequent in all the best authors, one would think
they would rouse the most supine to consider their contemptible and degraded
situation, who, from being the rightful lords of the creation, and only a
little lower than the angels, and crowned by their Maker with glory and honour
tamely prostrate themselves to the earth, for any one that will be insolent
enough to pass over.
But, Sir, people never thought it was practicable to enjoy an equal
property in land. For the mechanics thought they could not themselves
cultivate land if they were possessed of it, and that therefore thousands
would be selling their portions to others, which would soon reduce things to
the same situation as at present. And besides, they could not be at the
trouble nor put themselves so much out of temper, so as like the Jews, to
demand a restitution of the land and an abolition of debts every fiftieth
year. No, they would rather
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sit down contentedly with their pot and their
pipe, and their rags and their affronts, though the poor wives and children
mould be perishing at home of hunqer and cold.
But, by giving the land to the parishes they will be eased at once of all
those troublesome apprehensions; one hearty revolution and one jubilee will do
the business for ever: for we find societies once possessed of land do not
easily give it up, but are very tenacious of their property of which we have
many instances, there hardly being a corporation but what has landed property,
and have retained the same for many ages.
So here is a simple, easy, practicable scheme, which people may see
realized in every corporate body; wherefore, as people will now think
themselves qualified to manage their own estates by the agency of their parish
officers, for their own advantage, they must of course think landlords of no
more use, and they will grow weary of them. The payment of rent to a landlord
will be like giving to a highwayman, and they will pant to be rid of their
insupportable burdens all at once. They will long to have expunged from the
language those
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odious words : tolls, taxes, tythes, cesses, and rents. In
short, Sir, when the public machine is thus set a going on nature's
principles, like nature itself, it will never err to any degree, but on the
least aberration immediately rebound back to its just equilibrium.
Gent. But, Sir, I am not so partial to corporation government but I can
see many things amiss in them. There is too much party work, and I am afraid
the people at large would reap small benefit from their landed property, as is
too much the case in most of the corporations already in being.
Auth. The corporations now in being were established in times of
ignorance, when very few were qualified to take cognizance of public affairs,
wherefore the mass of the burghers were never suffered in their own persons to
make choice of their magistrates, but every company or trade chose an elector,
and these were to make a kind of sham choice of magistrates and officers, for
all this was settled in reality before in the Common Council; and the same
practice to the great ease and content of the people is still continued, which
I hope you do not think I approve of; for I see no reason
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why a candidate for
a magistracy or other office may not, after proper examination in respect of
abilities, be proposed in every distinct company or trade at the same hour,
and then in their own persons proceed to election. Candidates would not find
it so easy to make a party among the burghers at large, as they do now among
their deputies or liverymen; but I hope if the people were but once put right
(for they never have been so yet) they would be wise enough never to relapse
into insignificance again, and find it worth their while to act in person as
much as they could, by admitting of no electors or deputies between them and
the person or thing to be voted for; for if a parish were found to be too
populous to vote conveniently and expeditiously in one place, they would
surely have the sense to divide the parish into such a sufficiency of
districts or departments as should render business speedy add generally
satisfactory.
I should likewise expect that they would have the sense to cause the
parish accounts to be minutely stated and printed, at least every quarter; and
the national accounts to be in the same manner printed, at least every year.
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And I should likewise wish that the rents or rates might be collected monthly,
as the poor rate is now, which, when once paid, they would know was in full of
all demands.
In short, Sir, if I thought the people at large would ever become so
despicably destitute of common sense as to be incapable of conducting such
simple transactions with any little accidental variations after being thus
fairly put right — I say, instead of exciting my pity as they now do, I
would, like their tyrants, hold them in the most sovereign contempt and
derision; nay, I would rejoice in seeing them all delivered over to cruel
task-masters, planters, negro-drivers, landlords, and all the devils on earth.
Moreover, I would endeavour to get into some infernal office myself, and make
my thong the most terrible of the terrible.
But that I am far from apprehending will ever be the case, for it is
impossible for the world to become generally ignorant again, as it was before
the art of printing. Knowledge has been constantly encreasing ever since that
happy invention, and will infallably continue to do so while the world
endures.
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Gent. But I am at a great loss to conceive what will become of all the
landed people, gentlemen of the law, gentlemens' servants, many artizens and
tradesmen, entirely dependent on the nobility and gentry, and also the
soldiers, for you intend all your citizens to be soldiers.
Auth. You will observe, Sir, that I am proceeding in this affair entirely
in confidence of the people having common sense, and that they will, when once
put right, put it forth to use on all occasions; and, I likewise suppose they
mav have as much companion on those affected by the change of affairs, as
justice and necessity will admit of. So, in all probability, on that memorable
day, that grand jubilee, when every parish in some country shall take into its
possession its indubitable rights. I mean the land with all its appurtenances,
as structures, buildings, and fixtures, and mines, woods, waters, &c.
contained within itself: I say, though according to right and system they must
ieize upon these, I expect they would leave every person in possession of his
money and moveable effects to dispose of as he might chuse. The quondam
landlords might therefore be reasonably
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expected to subsist comfortably upon
these effects all their days with economy. I am sure few of the rest of the
people would have as much at that day to their share; and as to their children
they would doubtless suit their education to their prospects, which could be
no other than to live as sober, industrious citizens maintained by their own
industry. And what would hinder them by trading or farming to encrease their
effects under so mild and cherishing government, as well as others ? The same
may be said of gentlemen of the law, and other eminent artists or tradesmen
who might suffer by the change; as for the private soldiers and subalterns I
would wish them to be sent every man to his own parish, there to receive his
pay for life, and be employed in training his fellow-parishioners; and the
general officers, I hope, the government would provide for in like ample
manner. And with respect to other individuals, whether servants, mechanics, or
revenue officers, who, having no effects accumulated, and might be reduced by
any cause whatever, either at this or any future period to require assistance,
I hope their respective parishes would prove generous, and
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sympathizing
benefit societies for them all, untill they could again provide for
themselves; and the parishes, no doubt, would contrive to make such persons
contribute, if in health, towards the public good, and to this they surely
would not object.
Gent. But, friend, what do you expect by all this? Though your scheme
should succeed you cannot expect an estate for your trouble, and both you and
your posterity for ever must be content to herd with the common mass without
any hopes of flattering distinction: if your plan should not succeed, you must
expect a spiteful and powerful opposition in all you go about, from those you
are seeking to overthrow.
Mr. Paine acts more cautiously, and does not hurt the feelings of any
gentleman that is unconnected with government, and so, of course, may retain
their good will, notwithstanding all the lengths he goes; and may, even with a
good grace, confident with his reform, enjoy a very handsome estate, and with
all his boasted liberty and equality, may roll in his chariot on the labours
of his tenants.
Auth. The contempt and ungenerous
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rebuffs of the opulent I have already
pretty well experienced, and do yet expext; but the feelings occasioned by
beholding the struggles of temperance, frugality, and industry, after an honest
livelihood, which ought to be easily attainable by every one, have always been
sufficiently powerful to enable me to despise them. Yes, those sympathetic
feelings were impressed deep on my heart, being first excited by the many
difficulties my poor parents met with in providing for, and endeavouring to
bring up their numerous family decently and creditably, which I thought very
hard, as none could be more temperate, frugal, nor industrious.
I began to look round to know the cause of this piercing grievance and I
found thousands rioting in all the abominations of luxury and dissipation, as
if there had been no Being in heaven or earth but themselves, and they had
been created for the sole purpose of destroying the fruits of the earth. And
again I beheld miriads in a much worse condition than my own family. Then I
began to read, and I found the savages in Greenland, America, and at the Cape
of Good Hope, could all by their hunting
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and fishing procure subsistence for
their families. Then I enquired whether men left that rude state voluntarily
for greater comforts in a state of civilization, or whether they were
conquered, and compelled into it for the benefit of their conquerors. My
experience compelled me to conclude the latter, for I could observe nothing
like the effects of a social compact, wherefore I concluded that all our
boasted civilization is founded alone on conquest; nor will any men leave
their rude state to be treated with contempt, pay rents and taxes, and starve
among us. Savages may sometimes suffer want though that is but rare, but the
poor tamed wretch drags on a despicable, miserable, and toilsome existence,
from generation to generation. This surely looks exceeding bad, that among
men in such high refinement and so capable of rendering each other happy by
working as they do to each hand, thousands should nevertheless be in so
wretched a state that savages would not change conditions with them.
Such studies, Sir, as these, were what stirred me up with an irresistable
enthusiasm to lay before the world a plan of society so consonant to the
Rights of
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Man, that even savages mould envy, and wish to become members
thereof.
Gent. But you say nothing of religion.
Auth. Because there can be nothing in such a benevolent arrangement
of things repugnant to the true religion, and because that religion depends
upon God, and he has declared himself its Protector to the end of the world. It
is therefore but presumption in government to pretend to take it into
protection, and when they do it is only for some bye end. It is enough if they
do not oppose it. God said the workman is worthy of his meat, and we seldom see
his faithful servants want. Wherefore, as their own Master is not afraid to
trust them in the world, and is able to provide for them, should governments
intermeddle in the affair, for God knows best who are his most faithful
servants. Those they instructed would surely provide chearfully for their
teachers of their own accord; but if any parish at large chose to maintain any
favourite preacher, or establish a school, or public library at the parish
expence, who could object against it? — And I hope to make every one easy
on that head, toleration would be allowed to every religion or opinion not
repugnant to the Rights of Man.